No adult jokes please... my Mother reads this website!

You are not logged in.

#101 02.Feb.18 12:35:17

Philpot
Banned

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Barleycorn wrote:
Rebel wrote:

Phil who's leading the momentum goon squad in Royton ?.


There we are.   After just a handful of posts, the mud is sticking.   sad sad

Totally unfounded, without proof or any credible local evidence... yet they are now goons?


Murdoch would be proud, Philpot.



For every article you post, there are counter pieces about local empowerment.  Here is one from todays Guardian...

"Council leader Claire Kober has quit. Rightwingers claim it’s a Momentum plot, but this was all about residents fighting to save their homes"   

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr … -residents

Anyway - much as I am happy to debate this all day long Philpot, and trade links to our preferred journalists - I suspect others (& SG) will get fed up soon - so where is the LOCAL relevance - with implications for North Manchester/Oldham/Chadderton/Royton etc

A few generalised "ohh, look, lefties" comments won't do.
 

Last week, the local quarterly CLP meeting (at North Chadderton Bowling club) saw our MP, a local GP, other public sector staff, an airport worker, some pensioners and a parent speak.

I was there Philpot.  I know who said what, who replied and what was said.    It was all positive, progressive, encouraging and optimistic stuff - people want to help, contribute and improve the area.  Although there were some fairly grim accounts of the conscious cruelty raining down on people via our tory overlords.

No mention of Momentum, beyond a brief reference to the (increased, positive) turnout at the election canvassing for Labour - the meeting had lots of support for Corbyn, his manifesto and the refreshing, progressive slant the shadow cabinet is taking under JC.   

I see this a lot - an enthused, ready to engage broad left -  albeit there are lingering Blair/Brown centrists who are, in essence, scared of leaving the cosy middle ground for fear of being called out as , er... socialists!

Stop writing generalised, vague scare stories - lets discuss local issues, real people who are on record saying real things. 

It’s clear that the blinkered left refuse to acknowledge that Momentum’s drive for loyalty is at odds with Labour’s tradition as a broad church party.

The refusal to allow MPs seeking election to diverge from the group’s views, appears as an almost Orwellian imposition of ‘groupthink’.

Labour MPs must either abandon their principles and align with Momentum, or risk being shut out

Potential Labour MP will be forced not to voted against a party led by Jeremy Corbyn who voted 428 times against Labour whilst the party was in office!!

Momentum’s attempts to impose voting habits onto Labour would be MPs, is an affront not to just the pluralistic tradition within the Labour Party, but also a threat to British democracy in a wider sense.

Members of Parliament have a duty in the House of Commons to think independently and vote, as Corbyn has done for decades, based on their conscience.

Their job is not, as the loyalty contracts would dictat,  to turn up and regurgitate the views of Momentum.

MPs are expected to vote according to the interests of their electorate, to whom they are accountable, not according to the interests of a pressure group

Offline

#102 02.Feb.18 13:43:00

Barleycorn
Member

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Philpot wrote:
Barleycorn wrote:
Rebel wrote:

Phil who's leading the momentum goon squad in Royton ?.


There we are.   After just a handful of posts, the mud is sticking.   sad sad

Totally unfounded, without proof or any credible local evidence... yet they are now goons?


Murdoch would be proud, Philpot.



For every article you post, there are counter pieces about local empowerment.  Here is one from todays Guardian...

"Council leader Claire Kober has quit. Rightwingers claim it’s a Momentum plot, but this was all about residents fighting to save their homes"   

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr … -residents

Anyway - much as I am happy to debate this all day long Philpot, and trade links to our preferred journalists - I suspect others (& SG) will get fed up soon - so where is the LOCAL relevance - with implications for North Manchester/Oldham/Chadderton/Royton etc

A few generalised "ohh, look, lefties" comments won't do.
 

Last week, the local quarterly CLP meeting (at North Chadderton Bowling club) saw our MP, a local GP, other public sector staff, an airport worker, some pensioners and a parent speak.

I was there Philpot.  I know who said what, who replied and what was said.    It was all positive, progressive, encouraging and optimistic stuff - people want to help, contribute and improve the area.  Although there were some fairly grim accounts of the conscious cruelty raining down on people via our tory overlords.

No mention of Momentum, beyond a brief reference to the (increased, positive) turnout at the election canvassing for Labour - the meeting had lots of support for Corbyn, his manifesto and the refreshing, progressive slant the shadow cabinet is taking under JC.   

I see this a lot - an enthused, ready to engage broad left -  albeit there are lingering Blair/Brown centrists who are, in essence, scared of leaving the cosy middle ground for fear of being called out as , er... socialists!

Stop writing generalised, vague scare stories - lets discuss local issues, real people who are on record saying real things. 

It’s clear that the blinkered left refuse to acknowledge that Momentum’s drive for loyalty is at odds with Labour’s tradition as a broad church party.

The refusal to allow MPs seeking election to diverge from the group’s views, appears as an almost Orwellian imposition of ‘groupthink’.

Labour MPs must either abandon their principles and align with Momentum, or risk being shut out

Potential Labour MP will be forced not to voted against a party led by Jeremy Corbyn who voted 428 times against Labour whilst the party was in office!!

Momentum’s attempts to impose voting habits onto Labour would be MPs, is an affront not to just the pluralistic tradition within the Labour Party, but also a threat to British democracy in a wider sense.

Members of Parliament have a duty in the House of Commons to think independently and vote, as Corbyn has done for decades, based on their conscience.

Their job is not, as the loyalty contracts would dictat,  to turn up and regurgitate the views of Momentum.

MPs are expected to vote according to the interests of their electorate, to whom they are accountable, not according to the interests of a pressure group


This is just waffle, with respect.  Eight sentences of scary-lefty-blah-blah-blah.

Can I just repeat that last week our MP, Jim, met the CLP for a quarterly meeting.  This will be minuted in due course - there was youngster (!) taking notes on behalf of the CLP.  The chair (a local GP) spoke, then Jim spoke, then it was a 30 min Q&A. 

Jim, as our MP, was at no point challenged or put under pressure or asked to swear allegiance!   There was no Momentum take-over discussed, attempted or in any other way apparent that I could see.   

If it isn't at a CLP meeting, when and where are you suggesting all this control and undue influence  is applied Philpot?

You are making vague, unsubstantiated claims about a local 'threat' - I am saying, based on actually being there - it is nonsense.

Ask Jim - he is on twitter, or email him.

Councillor James has already told us, here, this isn't happening - your reply was, in effect,  "he denies it!".

We are in witch-finder territory here - admit it and be found guilty, or deny it and be guilty of denial. 

Madness.

This is important - it feeds into the fears of folks like Erin above - who are told Corbyn and his supporters are, essentially, subversive bogeymen and a threat locally and nationally.

Yesterday, Corbyn went from London to Milton Keynes to Wales, on a look at Hospital cancer care, car parking and staff levels.  Some press at the visits. http://t.co/Bl7oXjpuqq

He went by train, no entourage, between stops  http://www.instagram.com/p/Bepe5XWjJhG/


I see a concerned, interested and engaged leader - with viable alternatives to the venal chaos May & co are neck-deep in.   

Every contact I have had with Momentum (mainly over the Pennines) has been with interested, concerned, positive people who want the UK to be better/fairer. 

Usually teachers/uni staff, fourth sector staff, medics or local council workers.  If anything, a bit earnest and a bit tweedy - but these people are not the bad guys, imo. 


Anyway - reply with some locally relevant, verified, actual facts - or I'm not playing any more.

Last edited by Barleycorn (02.Feb.18 13:51:24)


I went through ALL your posts, found nothing,

Offline

#103 02.Feb.18 14:49:49

Philpot
Banned

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Barleycorn wrote:

This is just waffle, with respect.  Eight sentences of scary-lefty-blah-blah-blah.
.

That pretty much sums up the response Momentum give to those who have the temerity to challenge their agenda

You are loving proof of the momentum effect in Royton

And today we hear more from the Labour Party via the BBC

Labour group Momentum 'intimidating Haringey councillors'

A culture of complaints is being used by left-wing members of a local Labour party to intimidate colleagues, a councillor has claimed.
Barbara Blake says she has lost her role at Haringey Council after pressure by Momentum, a group that supports Jeremy Corbyn.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-42909757

Offline

#104 02.Feb.18 16:18:25

Barleycorn
Member

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Philpot wrote:
Barleycorn wrote:

This is just waffle, with respect.  Eight sentences of scary-lefty-blah-blah-blah.
.

That pretty much sums up the response Momentum give to those who have the temerity to challenge their agenda

You are loving proof of the momentum effect in Royton

And today we hear more from the Labour Party via the BBC

Labour group Momentum 'intimidating Haringey councillors'

A culture of complaints is being used by left-wing members of a local Labour party to intimidate colleagues, a councillor has claimed.
Barbara Blake says she has lost her role at Haringey Council after pressure by Momentum, a group that supports Jeremy Corbyn.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-42909757


Still nothing local to add - no facts, no independant observations.

Haringey is not clear cut either - yet you cite it as proof.   

Sme would say the folks who have been ousted (and this happens in all walks of life, often with good cause!)  are just bitter about a change of direction ...  their word should not be seen as gospel.

A reporter wrote this about a local couple who were involved - apparently the " couple had no big organisation, no grand plan – just a determination to stop the bulldozing of their neighbourhood. They had nothing in common with the so-called militants described this week on the BBC and in the papers as having toppled Kober. Momentum? Not members. Bullying? These retirees believed they were going to lose. But then no one I have met in the year I’ve been writing here about Haringey fits the nonsense that’s been spewed about them in the past few weeks.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr … -residents


so, please - stop using a biased narrative from hundreds of miles away - where is your local proof? 

You repeatedly state that Royton (and I assume Oldham) is under threat from Momentum.   Where are the facts?   Some local testimony?

Me not liking/accepting what you claim to be true is not proof of anything - other than we disagree.  Or is the 'Momentum effect', as you called it, simply daring to challenge the anti-Corbyn narrative of Murdoch & co.. ?

A local councillor has stated his view.   I have stated mine - and in support referenced a recent, local CLP meeting that is both relevant and timely.

Where is the evidence Philpot?

Last edited by Barleycorn (02.Feb.18 16:22:30)


I went through ALL your posts, found nothing,

Offline

#105 02.Feb.18 16:29:46

Philpot
Banned

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Barleycorn wrote:
Philpot wrote:
Barleycorn wrote:

This is just waffle, with respect.  Eight sentences of scary-lefty-blah-blah-blah.
.

That pretty much sums up the response Momentum give to those who have the temerity to challenge their agenda

You are loving proof of the momentum effect in Royton

And today we hear more from the Labour Party via the BBC

Labour group Momentum 'intimidating Haringey councillors'

A culture of complaints is being used by left-wing members of a local Labour party to intimidate colleagues, a councillor has claimed.
Barbara Blake says she has lost her role at Haringey Council after pressure by Momentum, a group that supports Jeremy Corbyn.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-42909757


Still nothing local to add - no facts, no independant observations.

Haringey is not clear cut either - yet you cite it as proof.   

Sme would say the folks who have been ousted (and this happens in all walks of life, often with good cause!)  are just bitter about a change of direction ...  their word should not be seen as gospel.

A reporter wrote this about a local couple who were involved - apparently the " couple had no big organisation, no grand plan – just a determination to stop the bulldozing of their neighbourhood. They had nothing in common with the so-called militants described this week on the BBC and in the papers as having toppled Kober. Momentum? Not members. Bullying? These retirees believed they were going to lose. But then no one I have met in the year I’ve been writing here about Haringey fits the nonsense that’s been spewed about them in the past few weeks.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr … -residents


so, please - stop using a biased narrative from hundreds of miles away - where is your local proof? 

You repeatedly state that Royton (and I assume Oldham) is under threat from Momentum.   Where are the facts?   Some local testimony?

Me not liking/accepting what you claim to be true is not proof of anything - other than we disagree.  Or is the 'Momentum effect', as you called it, simply daring to challenge the anti-Corbyn narrative of Murdoch & co.. ?

A local councillor has stated his view.   I have stated mine - and in support referenced a recent, local CLP meeting that is both relevant and timely.

Where is the evidence Philpot?

There is plenty of evidence of Momentum getting shouty and pushy here in Oldham.

https://labourlist.org/2015/11/mcmahon- … in-oldham/


And we will find out during the local elections this May

Much more

Offline

#106 02.Feb.18 16:40:37

Barleycorn
Member

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

That was written 2 years ago!

Scraping the barrel.


I went through ALL your posts, found nothing,

Offline

#107 02.Feb.18 17:11:54

Erin
Member

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Barley can I just put the record straight no-one but no-one has transferred any of my dislike or mistrust of Corbyn.  I am past my 70 and then some years, I have always been interested in politics and I have watched and listened.  This  is the way I have decided who in my mind will serve this country to the best of their ability, if I thought it was a Labour person then I would say so, the same goes for a Tory.  Please do not assume how I think or feel.

Offline

#108 02.Feb.18 17:16:47

Barleycorn
Member

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Erin wrote:

Barley can I just put the record straight no-one but no-one has transferred any of my dislike or mistrust of Corbyn.  I am past my 70 and then some years, I have always been interested in politics and I have watched and listened.  This  is the way I have decided who in my mind will serve this country to the best of their ability, if I thought it was a Labour person then I would say so, the same goes for a Tory.  Please do not assume how I think or feel.

Fair enough - I didn't mean to misrepresent you, or speak on your behalf.

My point was that mud sticks, but I am really sorry if I presumed too much or spoke out of turn.

neutral


I went through ALL your posts, found nothing,

Offline

#109 02.Feb.18 18:31:39

Philpot
Banned

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Erin wrote:

Barley can I just put the record straight no-one but no-one has transferred any of my dislike or mistrust of Corbyn.  I am past my 70 and then some years, I have always been interested in politics and I have watched and listened.  This  is the way I have decided who in my mind will serve this country to the best of their ability, if I thought it was a Labour person then I would say so, the same goes for a Tory.  Please do not assume how I think or feel.

Erin, Momentum will not just assume how you think or feel, they will tell you want to think

Their track record across the country stands as testimony to this

And it is becoming abundantly clear that Mr Barleycorn, as our resident Momentum cheerleader, is driven to tell us how uneducated and misinformed everybody apart from the hard left really are.

Offline

#110 02.Feb.18 18:56:56

Penguin
Member

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

I like being uneducated and ilinforned.... Saves me a lot of stress!  smile


Oh Brilliant!  big_smile

Offline

#111 02.Feb.18 23:24:14

Barleycorn
Member

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Philpot wrote:
Erin wrote:

Barley can I just put the record straight no-one but no-one has transferred any of my dislike or mistrust of Corbyn.  I am past my 70 and then some years, I have always been interested in politics and I have watched and listened.  This  is the way I have decided who in my mind will serve this country to the best of their ability, if I thought it was a Labour person then I would say so, the same goes for a Tory.  Please do not assume how I think or feel.

Erin, Momentum will not just assume how you think or feel, they will tell you want to think

Their track record across the country stands as testimony to this

And it is becoming abundantly clear that Mr Barleycorn, as our resident Momentum cheerleader, is driven to tell us how uneducated and misinformed everybody apart from the hard left really are.

What, by citing actual local people and real, local events...  ?!?

You're just rambling on with vague , third hand unnatributed platitudes ie,  telling people what to think.

Last edited by Barleycorn (02.Feb.18 23:26:29)


I went through ALL your posts, found nothing,

Offline

#112 03.Feb.18 09:42:28

Philpot
Banned

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Barleycorn wrote:
Philpot wrote:
Erin wrote:

Barley can I just put the record straight no-one but no-one has transferred any of my dislike or mistrust of Corbyn.  I am past my 70 and then some years, I have always been interested in politics and I have watched and listened.  This  is the way I have decided who in my mind will serve this country to the best of their ability, if I thought it was a Labour person then I would say so, the same goes for a Tory.  Please do not assume how I think or feel.

Erin, Momentum will not just assume how you think or feel, they will tell you want to think

Their track record across the country stands as testimony to this

And it is becoming abundantly clear that Mr Barleycorn, as our resident Momentum cheerleader, is driven to tell us how uneducated and misinformed everybody apart from the hard left really are.

What, by citing actual local people and real, local events...  ?!?

You're just rambling on with vague , third hand unnatributed platitudes ie,  telling people what to think.

I have cited factual events locally and nationally here in a town where one of our local councillors was suddenly deselected against his will, and the will of those who votes him in

And I therefore invited discussion and opinion

Unlike yourself who constantly slanders everyone and anyone who offers a viewpoint which differs from your own. And you have repeatedly tried to close the discussion

You are indeed Momentum manifest

Offline

#113 03.Feb.18 10:30:10

Philpot
Banned

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

And this is kind of behaviour is symptomatic of the malevolent left wing agenda preached by Barleycorn and the Momentum mob

https://order-order.com/2018/02/02/rees … orbynista/

Offline

#114 03.Feb.18 13:45:55

Barleycorn
Member

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Guido Fawkes....   right.   

That is like me citing the SWP.   

Besides, as you raise it - if you watch the footage, a Rees Mogg supporter threw the punch, thereby causing the 'scuffle'.  The protest was just noise and shouting until then.   

Isn't punching someone you disagree with bullying?

Back on thread - Anything local?  Anything relevant?   Anything true?

No, thought not.


I went through ALL your posts, found nothing,

Offline

#115 03.Feb.18 13:47:32

Barleycorn
Member

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Philpot wrote:
Barleycorn wrote:
Philpot wrote:

Erin, Momentum will not just assume how you think or feel, they will tell you want to think

Their track record across the country stands as testimony to this

And it is becoming abundantly clear that Mr Barleycorn, as our resident Momentum cheerleader, is driven to tell us how uneducated and misinformed everybody apart from the hard left really are.

What, by citing actual local people and real, local events...  ?!?

You're just rambling on with vague , third hand unnatributed platitudes ie,  telling people what to think.

I have cited factual events locally and nationally here in a town where one of our local councillors was suddenly deselected against his will, and the will of those who votes him in

And I therefore invited discussion and opinion

Unlike yourself who constantly slanders everyone and anyone who offers a viewpoint which differs from your own. And you have repeatedly tried to close the discussion

You are indeed Momentum manifest



Really?!?  - well, by all means flag those constant slanderings...  I'll make a brew and pull up a chair.


I went through ALL your posts, found nothing,

Offline

#116 03.Feb.18 14:31:42

Philpot
Banned

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Barleycorn wrote:

Guido Fawkes....   right.   

That is like me citing the SWP.   

Besides, as you raise it - if you watch the footage, a Rees Mogg supporter threw the punch, thereby causing the 'scuffle'.  The protest was just noise and shouting until then.   

Isn't punching someone you disagree with bullying?

Back on thread - Anything local?  Anything relevant?   Anything true?

No, thought not.

How predictable that you are trying again to tell us which newspaper to read, which website to visit.

The fact that the report is entirely factual is of no consequence to the left

The left want to tell what to read and what to think

Watch the video, no punches were thrown. The Momentum supporters tried to shout down Mogg ( as they do) and were removed by campus security

Offline

#117 03.Feb.18 14:38:51

Philpot
Banned

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Most Labour councillors in England and Wales have accused the party's ruling body of "an affront to the basic principles of democracy".

They said they were "extremely disappointed" at a recent intervention by the National Executive Committee.

It marks the first major clash between factions since an election tipped the NEC's political balance firmly in favour of Momentum

https://news.sky.com/story/first-labour … e-11226744

Offline

#118 03.Feb.18 15:49:03

Barleycorn
Member

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Philpot wrote:

Most Labour councillors in England and Wales have accused the party's ruling body of "an affront to the basic principles of democracy".

They said they were "extremely disappointed" at a recent intervention by the National Executive Committee.

It marks the first major clash between factions since an election tipped the NEC's political balance firmly in favour of Momentum

https://news.sky.com/story/first-labour … e-11226744


Classic Murdoch spin.

How many councillors are there? 
How many agree with this letter?

Of those, how many supported the coup that attempted to undo two ballots won fairly & squarely by Corbyn as leader?


I went through ALL your posts, found nothing,

Offline

#119 03.Feb.18 16:22:19

Barleycorn
Member

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Philpot wrote:
Barleycorn wrote:

Guido Fawkes....   right.   

That is like me citing the SWP.   

Besides, as you raise it - if you watch the footage, a Rees Mogg supporter threw the punch, thereby causing the 'scuffle'.  The protest was just noise and shouting until then.   

Isn't punching someone you disagree with bullying?

Back on thread - Anything local?  Anything relevant?   Anything true?

No, thought not.

How predictable that you are trying again to tell us which newspaper to read, which website to visit.

The fact that the report is entirely factual is of no consequence to the left

The left want to tell what to read and what to think

Watch the video, no punches were thrown. The Momentum supporters tried to shout down Mogg ( as they do) and were removed by campus security


If no punches were thrown, how do you account for this image of a punch.  From a tory, into the face of a female protestor.

#partyoflawandorder ?




JRM.jpg


Violent lefty Corbynites is exactly what Murdoch, Dacre, the Barclays and the shadowy elites robbing the UK blind want you to say...

Last edited by Barleycorn (03.Feb.18 16:23:42)


I went through ALL your posts, found nothing,

Offline

#120 03.Feb.18 16:59:25

Philpot
Banned

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

It comes as no surprise that Barleycorn attempts to defend the left wing hooligans.

Here is an updated report

A student has told how masked protesters disrupted a political talk at the University of the West of England.

William Bates, 20, vice-president of UWE Conservatives, described how he was shoved in a melee that erupted during the visit by Tory MP Jacob Rees-Mogg.

Mr Bates, who called police when trouble flared, has made a complaint of assault following the incident.

He filmed the assault on his phone

He told the Bristol Post: “There were about 300 people and the lecture theatre was full. It was the biggest political event at UWE ever.

“Suddenly 12 protesters wearing black balaclavas and masks burst in through an insecure back door. It was very intimidating for all of the students.

“Jacob Rees-Mogg walked straight up towards them and engaged them, asking them about their views and issues.

“They chanted ‘Nazi scum’ at him.”

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bris … ut-1161626

Offline

#121 03.Feb.18 17:06:54

Rebel
Member

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Phil van you explain what MOMENTIM  Is are  j  your own words   .


I was in the House when the house burned down !.

Offline

#122 03.Feb.18 17:10:09

Philpot
Banned

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Corbyn praises new activists amid claims Momentum members 'forced out Labour council leader'


Jeremy Corbyn has urged Labour to welcome "young energy" into the party amid claims his hard left supporters have been intimidating and bullying opponents.

The long-standing Haringay Council leader Claire Kober announced she was quitting after a campaign of "sexism" and" bullying" by Mr Corbyn's supporters over a controversial PFI housing deal.

She had been ordered by the party's ruling national executive committee (NEC) to pause plans to use a private finance deal to help pay for new homes after an outcry among many residents in the borough.

Jeremy Corbyn today applauded the NEC's highly unusual decision to intervene in local politics in a speech to the Labour local government conference in Nottingham.

http://www.itv.com/news/london/2018-02- … il-leader/

Offline

#123 03.Feb.18 17:13:01

Philpot
Banned

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Rebel wrote:

Phil van you explain what MOMENTIM  Is are  j  your own words   .

Marxist Rebel



The successors of Militant who were around in the 80’s

Offline

#124 03.Feb.18 18:16:11

Penguin
Member

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Just watched the video, why is no one asking how, above all that noise, can the guy in the sunglasses and hat be heard so clearly...

It's almost like he's been micced up, but I'm not really into conspiracy theories.


Oh Brilliant!  big_smile

Offline

#125 03.Feb.18 20:47:57

Rebel
Member

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

I am thinking this momentum is a decoy


I was in the House when the house burned down !.

Offline

#126 04.Feb.18 00:52:53

Barleycorn
Member

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Philpot wrote:

It comes as no surprise that Barleycorn attempts to defend the left wing hooligans.

Here is an updated report

A student has told how masked protesters disrupted a political talk at the University of the West of England.

William Bates, 20, vice-president of UWE Conservatives, described how he was shoved in a melee that erupted during the visit by Tory MP Jacob Rees-Mogg.

Mr Bates, who called police when trouble flared, has made a complaint of assault following the incident.

He filmed the assault on his phone

He told the Bristol Post: “There were about 300 people and the lecture theatre was full. It was the biggest political event at UWE ever.

“Suddenly 12 protesters wearing black balaclavas and masks burst in through an insecure back door. It was very intimidating for all of the students.

“Jacob Rees-Mogg walked straight up towards them and engaged them, asking them about their views and issues.

“They chanted ‘Nazi scum’ at him.”

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bris … ut-1161626


What did I defend ?

I pointed out who threw the first (only?) punch... I don't think I defended anyone.  Feel free to correct me though...


I went through ALL your posts, found nothing,

Offline

#127 04.Feb.18 10:33:09

Philpot
Banned

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Barleycorn wrote:
Philpot wrote:

It comes as no surprise that Barleycorn attempts to defend the left wing hooligans.

Here is an updated report

A student has told how masked protesters disrupted a political talk at the University of the West of England.

William Bates, 20, vice-president of UWE Conservatives, described how he was shoved in a melee that erupted during the visit by Tory MP Jacob Rees-Mogg.

Mr Bates, who called police when trouble flared, has made a complaint of assault following the incident.

He filmed the assault on his phone

He told the Bristol Post: “There were about 300 people and the lecture theatre was full. It was the biggest political event at UWE ever.

“Suddenly 12 protesters wearing black balaclavas and masks burst in through an insecure back door. It was very intimidating for all of the students.

“Jacob Rees-Mogg walked straight up towards them and engaged them, asking them about their views and issues.

“They chanted ‘Nazi scum’ at him.”

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bris … ut-1161626


What did I defend ?

I pointed out who threw the first (only?) punch... I don't think I defended anyone.  Feel free to correct me though...

Then we can only assume that your attempt to claim that the first punch was thrown by Tory was an innocent mistake.

I am sure you would wish to put the record straight by condemning the left wing hooligans who invaded the speech and attempted to silence Rees Mogg

Offline

#128 04.Feb.18 11:18:38

Philpot
Banned

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Labour welcomes back banned activists and Holocaust denier

Momentum’s control of the party’s ruling body is allowing the return of a hotchpotch of expelled radicals and former election rivals

Gabriel Pogrund
February 4 2018, 12:01am, The Sunday Times

A Holocaust denier and a leading member of Militant during its takeover of Liverpool council are among a first wave of expelled hard-left activists who have been readmitted to the Labour Party, it can be revealed today.

A leak from Labour headquarters shows the extent of the resurgent left’s control over the party after recent elections to its governing body, where Momentum candidates won a “clean sweep” of new positions.

Activists have been allowed to rejoin despite still belonging to organisations “proscribed” by Labour — including a Trotskyist group, the Alliance for Workers’ Liberty. Others stood against Labour for hard-left parties as recently as 2016.

The decisions disclosed today were taken at the first meeting of Labour’s national executive committee (NEC) since the left wing group Momentum took control

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/734e … cf9f50529e

Offline

#129 04.Feb.18 21:22:08

Barleycorn
Member

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Philpot wrote:
Barleycorn wrote:
Philpot wrote:

It comes as no surprise that Barleycorn attempts to defend the left wing hooligans.

Here is an updated report

A student has told how masked protesters disrupted a political talk at the University of the West of England.

William Bates, 20, vice-president of UWE Conservatives, described how he was shoved in a melee that erupted during the visit by Tory MP Jacob Rees-Mogg.

Mr Bates, who called police when trouble flared, has made a complaint of assault following the incident.

He filmed the assault on his phone

He told the Bristol Post: “There were about 300 people and the lecture theatre was full. It was the biggest political event at UWE ever.

“Suddenly 12 protesters wearing black balaclavas and masks burst in through an insecure back door. It was very intimidating for all of the students.

“Jacob Rees-Mogg walked straight up towards them and engaged them, asking them about their views and issues.

“They chanted ‘Nazi scum’ at him.”

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bris … ut-1161626


What did I defend ?

I pointed out who threw the first (only?) punch... I don't think I defended anyone.  Feel free to correct me though...

Then we can only assume that your attempt to claim that the first punch was thrown by Tory was an innocent mistake. No, it's true.

I am sure you would wish to put the record straight by condemning the left wing hooligans who invaded the speech and attempted to silence Rees MoggThey acted like children - no excuse for rudeness.  But no excuse /reason to punch a woman in the face either.

Last edited by Barleycorn (04.Feb.18 22:08:37)


I went through ALL your posts, found nothing,

Offline

#130 04.Feb.18 21:35:43

Philpot
Banned

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

So what are you doing on the 5th of May Barleycorn?

Offline

#131 04.Feb.18 22:09:59

Barleycorn
Member

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Philpot wrote:

So what are you doing on the 5th of May Barleycorn?

Is a kind offer, but I have a partner.

cool


I went through ALL your posts, found nothing,

Offline

#132 04.Feb.18 22:11:43

Tabbycat
Member

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Barleycorn wrote:
Philpot wrote:

So what are you doing on the 5th of May Barleycorn?

Is a kind offer, but I have a partner.

cool

lol


Once you've read a dictionary everything else is just a remix

Offline

#133 05.Feb.18 07:17:27

Philpot
Banned

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Barleycorn wrote:
Philpot wrote:

So what are you doing on the 5th of May Barleycorn?

Is a kind offer, but I have a partner.

cool

I am sure she could go too

And perhaps between you could explain why John McDonnell MP, Shadow Chancellor is presenting a talk entitled

“Into the 21st century: Marxism as a force for change today”

At MARX 200. A Major International Conference celebrating Marx’s work and exploring the significance of Marxism in the world today. Organised by the Marx Memorial Library on the bicentenary of Marx's birth.

https://www.marx-memorial-library.org/i … t=1&id=160

Offline

#134 05.Feb.18 10:14:16

Barleycorn
Member

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Philpot wrote:
Barleycorn wrote:
Philpot wrote:

So what are you doing on the 5th of May Barleycorn?

Is a kind offer, but I have a partner.

cool

I am sure she could go too

And perhaps between you could explain why John McDonnell MP, Shadow Chancellor is presenting a talk entitled

“Into the 21st century: Marxism as a force for change today”

At MARX 200. A Major International Conference celebrating Marx’s work and exploring the significance of Marxism in the world today. Organised by the Marx Memorial Library on the bicentenary of Marx's birth.

https://www.marx-memorial-library.org/i … t=1&id=160


At a guest I suspect he is there to discuss 'the significance of Marxism in the world today... on the bicentenary of Marx's birth'.

Surprised you didn't work it out, tbh.   Strong clues in your own post.

Last edited by Barleycorn (05.Feb.18 10:14:52)


I went through ALL your posts, found nothing,

Offline

#135 05.Feb.18 10:46:04

Philpot
Banned

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Barleycorn wrote:
Philpot wrote:
Barleycorn wrote:

Is a kind offer, but I have a partner.

cool

I am sure she could go too

And perhaps between you could explain why John McDonnell MP, Shadow Chancellor is presenting a talk entitled

“Into the 21st century: Marxism as a force for change today”

At MARX 200. A Major International Conference celebrating Marx’s work and exploring the significance of Marxism in the world today. Organised by the Marx Memorial Library on the bicentenary of Marx's birth.

https://www.marx-memorial-library.org/i … t=1&id=160


At a guest I suspect he is there to discuss 'the significance of Marxism in the world today... on the bicentenary of Marx's birth'.

Surprised you didn't work it out, tbh.   Strong clues in your own post.

Which is a rather disturbing event for one of our leading political figures to attend

With the fall of the Soviet Union and communist governments in Eastern Europe, too many have the impression that Marxism, the religion of communism, is dead.

But it clearly is not and it festers within Momentum and is clearly endorsed by McDonnell

It is alive and well in many countries still, such as North Korea, China, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, a gaggle of African countries, and in Corbyns pet favourite Venezuela.

However, of most importance to the future of democracy, communism still pollutes the thinking of a vast multitude of Western academics and intellectuals which has now manifested itself in our main stream political system

Of all religions, secular and otherwise, that of Marxism has been by far the bloodiest, bloodier than the Catholic Inquisition, the various Catholic crusades, and the Thirty Years War between Catholics and Protestants.

In practice, Marxism has meant bloody terrorism, deadly purges, lethal prison camps and murderous forced labour, fatal deportations, man made famines, extrajudicial executions and fraudulent show trials, outright mass murder and genocide.

In total, Marxist regimes murdered nearly 110 million people from 1917 to 1987.

For perspective on this incredible toll, note that all domestic and foreign wars during the 20th century killed around 35 million.

So when Marxists control states, Marxism is more deadly than all the wars of the 20th century, including World Wars I and II, and the Korean and Vietnam Wars.

And what did Marxism, this greatest of human social experiments, achieve for its poor citizens, at this most bloody cost in lives?

Nothing positive.

It left in its wake an economic, environmental, social and cultural disaster.

Offline

#136 05.Feb.18 12:34:23

Barleycorn
Member

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

I rather like the idea of politicians discussing things - teasing out ideas, theories and understanding the relevance (if any).  Using the experience of past events (good & bad) to inform future policy.  Hard to do this if you don't understand/discuss things.

Plenty of Marxist theory applies, and is applied, to various disciplines today - which I suspect you know full well, despite your emotive list of grim events above.    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist_s … of_thought

Your list of the evils of Marxism is a simplistic slant on historical events - superficial, overlooking actual cause and effect, and I may as well blame capitalism for every single killing using a gun, since all arms are manufactured and sold for profit. 
Or God, because all the wars/conquests done (nominally) in the name of religion over time have killed far more people than any other 'cause' - although profit and power are always the root cause.


Just more vague, emotive, reds-uner-the-bed tub-thumping with no local relevance.



Still waiting for the proof of this local, relevant-to-Oldham 'threat' from Momentum that you claim is already underway.   

Just a few meetings/incidents/recorded events will do - lots of potential sources :

Momentum list their meetings and events, active on soical media.
The  CLP records its meetings.
Jim the MP is active on social media.
The Council publishes proceedings.

Surely there is a documented example of this creeping commie campaign...

Please link to the evidence that Momentum are "the emerging face of communism in Royton".   

You trying to back Cllr James into a corner on this forum (do you support THEM ?!?!) is hardly proof of anything.  Nor is the complex situation 250 miles away in a London borough.

The basis of this threads title is.... what exactly?

Last edited by Barleycorn (05.Feb.18 12:42:15)


I went through ALL your posts, found nothing,

Offline

#137 05.Feb.18 13:03:04

Philpot
Banned

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

We cannot debate the fat left without interrogating Marxism despot your attempted deflection Mr Barleycorn

No tub thumping required. Just an honest and open look back at recent history

Take for example the The Khmer Rouge. Cambodian communists who ruled Cambodia for four years. They provide insight into why Marxists believed it necessary and moral to massacre so many of their fellow humans.

Their Marxism was married to absolute power.

They believed without a shred of doubt that they knew the truth, that they would bring about the greatest human welfare and happiness, and that to realize this utopia, they had to mercilessly tear down the old feudal or capitalist order and Buddhist culture, and then totally rebuild a communist society.

Nothing could be allowed to stand in the way of this achievement. Government, the Communist Party, was above any law.

All other institutions, religions, cultural norms, traditions and sentiments were expendable.

The Marxists saw the construction of this utopia as a war on poverty, exploitation, imperialism and inequality and, as in a real war, noncombatants would unfortunately get caught in the battle. There would be necessary enemy casualties, the clergy, bourgeoisie, capitalists, “wreckers,” intellectuals, counterrevolutionaries, rightists, tyrants, the rich and landlords.


As in a war, millions die, but these deaths would be justified by the end, as in the defeat of Hitler in World War II. To the ruling Marxists, the goal of a communist utopia was enough to justify all the deaths.

The irony is that in practice, even after decades of total control, Marxism did not improve the lot of the average person, but usually made living conditions worse than before the revolution. It is not by chance that the world’s greatest famines have happened within the Soviet Union about 5 million dead from 1921-23 and 7 million from 1932-3, including 2 million outside Ukraine and communist China about 30 million dead from 1959-61.

Overall, in the last century almost 55 million people died in various Marxist famines and associated epidemics, a little over 10 million of them were intentionally starved to death, and the rest died as an unintended result of Marxist collectivization and agricultural policies.

And today we see the left wing mess that was once Venezuela

And you ask about the local Marxist at Momentum? Well they have not updated their Facebook page since Nov 2015.

No doubt their social medium profile will remain low until the local elections on May when they will be out in force after celebrating Karl Marx 200th Birthday

Offline

#138 05.Feb.18 13:04:30

Philpot
Banned

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Far left  lol fat thumbs

Offline

#139 05.Feb.18 14:46:11

Barleycorn
Member

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Right - fat despots aside (  lol  lol )  we are not going to agree about broad, historical geopolitical stuff.   And this is a local forum, and we are on the local politics thread.

So lets drop all the references to decades old, remote conflicts - whoever caused them! (we can debate the abuse of power and ruling elites hiding behind various political regimes for a very long time)

You obvious think that there is a communist insurgency at large in the North Mcr area - active and applying undue influence and pressure.   

My question is simple: who, where and when?  

No sign of this at recent Labour party meetings.  If not there, where will they be visible?

An inactive facebook page simply isn't proof.   Neither is your hunch the pinko's will emerge in May. 

Where is your source for the Royton Red Brigade?

Last edited by Barleycorn (05.Feb.18 16:30:42)


I went through ALL your posts, found nothing,

Offline

#140 05.Feb.18 16:36:41

Philpot
Banned

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Barleycorn wrote:

Right - fat despots aside (  lol  lol )  we are not going to agree about broad, historical geopolitical stuff.   And this is a local forum, and we are on the local politics thread.

So lets drop all the references to decades old, remote conflicts - whoever caused them! (we can debate the abuse of power and ruling elites hiding behind various political regimes for a very long time)

You obvious think that there is a communist insurgency at large in the North Mcr area - active and applying undue influence and pressure.   
My question is who, where and when?   

No sign of this at recent Labour party meetings.  If not there, where will they be visible?

An inactive facebook page simply isn't proof.   Neither is a hunch the pinko's will emerge in May. 

Where is your source for the Royton Red Brigade?

Sorry Barleycorn but I fail to see how or why history can or should be ignored when discussing politics at local or national level

Would you, for example, have nothing to say if a front bench member of the government ( or opposition) attended a pro Nazi meeting?

Would you have no issue with this if the politician said they were interested in understanding how the Nazis produced such an efficent national rail system. Or how we could learn from the Nazi house building programme ?

Would that matter because the Nazis were decades old ?

Offline

#141 05.Feb.18 17:31:18

Barleycorn
Member

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Philpot wrote:
Barleycorn wrote:

Right - fat despots aside (  lol  lol )  we are not going to agree about broad, historical geopolitical stuff.   And this is a local forum, and we are on the local politics thread.

So lets drop all the references to decades old, remote conflicts - whoever caused them! (we can debate the abuse of power and ruling elites hiding behind various political regimes for a very long time)

You obvious think that there is a communist insurgency at large in the North Mcr area - active and applying undue influence and pressure.   
My question is who, where and when?   

No sign of this at recent Labour party meetings.  If not there, where will they be visible?

An inactive facebook page simply isn't proof.   Neither is a hunch the pinko's will emerge in May. 

Where is your source for the Royton Red Brigade?

Sorry Barleycorn but I fail to see how or why history can or should be ignored when discussing politics at local or national level      Unless you are the Shadow Chancellor ?/

Would you, for example, have nothing to say if a front bench member of the government (or opposition) attended a pro Nazi meeting?

Would you have no issue with this if the politician said they were interested in understanding how the Nazis produced such an efficent national rail system. Or how we could learn from the Nazi house building programme ?

Would that matter because the Nazis were decades old ?

Philpot wrote:

Would you, for example, have nothing to say if a front bench member of the government (or opposition) attended a pro Nazi meeting?

But that wouldn't be history - and attending a pro-Nazi group is not the same as an academic / discussion group looking at Marxism today. 

It just isn't.     

Rather like some 'bad' behaviour by left wing students - protests, pickets, blockades, (shouting at Rees Mogg) etc are different to, say, 'bad' behaviour by right wing students at The Bullingdon Club - burning £20 notes in front of the homeless, smashing up restaurants etc.   Both 'broadly' seen as antisocial...  but coming from a different place.

So your comparison is false.  You must know this. 

There are many disciplines that are informed by, or utilise Marxist Theory.   Marxist sociology,   Marxist archaeology, MArxist Anthropology,

https://www.thoughtco.com/marxist-sociology-3026397

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist_archaeology

You keep refering to Marxist regimes that commit war crimes and/or oppression... but these are one branch of one strand of Marxism...   Just as Germany was, in the early 20th century a very Christian country (were WW1 and WWII therefore Christian wars?) 

Bruce Trigger writes that  "The dogmatism with which Soviet social scientists adhered to this scheme contrasts sharply with the views expressed by Marx and Engels, who were prepared to consider multilinear models of social evolution, especially with regard to earlier and less well understood periods of human development" (Trigger, Bruce G. (2007). A History of Archaeological Thought (second edition). New York: Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-0-521-60049-1)


I went through ALL your posts, found nothing,

Offline

#142 05.Feb.18 19:01:29

Philpot
Banned

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Barleycorn, the Marxist death toll far exceeds that of the Nazis

So of course the comparison is valid

The local and national academic and intellectual Momentum Marxists today are getting a free ride.

They get a certain respect because of their words about improving the lot of the worker and the poor, their utopian pretensions.

Think Corbyn conning students into thinking he would write off the debts

But history teaches us that when empowered, Marxism has failed utterly, as has fascism.

Instead of being treated with respect and tolerance, Marxists should be treated as though they wished a deadly plague on all of us.

So whenever we are being lectured by one of our indigenous Marxists, or leftist zealots, we ask them how they can justify the murder of over a hundred million their absolutist faith has brought about, and the misery it has created for many hundreds of millions more.

Offline

#143 05.Feb.18 21:46:15

Barleycorn
Member

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Philpot wrote:

Barleycorn, the Marxist death toll far exceeds that of the Nazis

So of course the comparison is valid

The local and national academic and intellectual Momentum Marxists today are getting a free ride.

They get a certain respect because of their words about improving the lot of the worker and the poor, their utopian pretensions.

Think Corbyn conning students into thinking he would write off the debts

But history teaches us that when empowered, Marxism has failed utterly, as has fascism.

Instead of being treated with respect and tolerance, Marxists should be treated as though they wished a deadly plague on all of us.

So whenever we are being lectured by one of our indigenous Marxists, or leftist zealots, we ask them how they can justify the murder of over a hundred million their absolutist faith has brought about, and the misery it has created for many hundreds of millions more.


Then I ask you how the right reconciles all the domestic hate mongers it encourages...  Two put away just this week.

But, neither are really relevant to here and now...

Last edited by Barleycorn (05.Feb.18 21:47:57)


I went through ALL your posts, found nothing,

Offline

#144 05.Feb.18 21:50:03

Philpot
Banned

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Barleycorn wrote:
Philpot wrote:

Barleycorn, the Marxist death toll far exceeds that of the Nazis

So of course the comparison is valid

The local and national academic and intellectual Momentum Marxists today are getting a free ride.

They get a certain respect because of their words about improving the lot of the worker and the poor, their utopian pretensions.

Think Corbyn conning students into thinking he would write off the debts

But history teaches us that when empowered, Marxism has failed utterly, as has fascism.

Instead of being treated with respect and tolerance, Marxists should be treated as though they wished a deadly plague on all of us.

So whenever we are being lectured by one of our indigenous Marxists, or leftist zealots, we ask them how they can justify the murder of over a hundred million their absolutist faith has brought about, and the misery it has created for many hundreds of millions more.


Then I ask you how the right reconciles all the domestic hate mongers it encourages...  Two put away just this week.

But, neither are really relevant to here and now...

The “right” are not taking control of the Labour Party Barleycorn

Offline

#145 05.Feb.18 21:56:15

Philpot
Banned

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Getting back to local politics ....

‘A decade-long fight for the soul of the Labour party’ - how Momentum are gaining ground in Manchester

Battle-lines have been drawn following Manchester’s fraught council selection

Fear they would take over the party structures, fear of MP de-selections and fear, ultimately, of loss of power.

Since then Momentum have indeed been on the march, securing key parts of Labour ’s infrastructure, including - a few weeks ago - the north west executive board.

But at Manchester’s almost 100pc Labour council , famed for its iron-clad, command-and-control, pragmatically independent leadership, all had, until recently, appeared relatively calm.

Bubbling internal rows - particularly about housing policy - and a surge in pro-Corbyn membership aside, the face of the council remained the same.

A few weeks ago, that started to change

Due to boundary changes, October saw Manchester Labour forced to go through an ‘all-out’ candidate selection process - in which every one of the city’s 96 council seats was technically up for grabs - for the first time since 2004.

In pockets of the city, Corbynites saw their chance and mobilised, spearheaded by Momentum. And in a significant handful of cases, they were successful.

The biggest shock - largely due to his high profile - was the ousting of former lord mayor Carl Austin-Behan in favour of his Burnage branch’s freshly-anointed new secretary, Momentum member Ben Clay.


Suddenly local party divisions spilled into the open, reminiscent of the party’s bitter public warfare last year.

A ‘devastated’ Austin-Behan, who had not initially seen the de-selection coming, suggested afterwards that the party was ‘not democratic’ anymore, while Manchester Central MP Lucy Powell , a vocal critic of Momentum, attacked the result as ‘the worst kind of political factionalism’.

Some on social media accused Momentum of homophobia, a reference to Austin’s profile as the city’s first gay lord mayor in 2016.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk … n-13913626

Offline

#146 05.Feb.18 21:56:46

Barleycorn
Member

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

No, they finally handing it back...
wink  wink  hmm


I went through ALL your posts, found nothing,

Offline

#147 05.Feb.18 22:16:53

Philpot
Banned

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Many pre-existing members, wary of Momentum’s rise,

“I think Momentum are trying to get in and get onto the council first and then go after MPs,” says one councillor.

“It’s a power trip. They’re starting from the bottom and building up, but for me it does feel like a party within a party.”

One furious long-standing senior member goes further.

“These all-outs have unleashed the worst kind of behaviour,” he says.

“People are trying to prove their power, but this is a long game with Sir Richard in the crosshairs, to force his early retirement or position unions and Momentum for the succession.

“And to deselect Lucy Powell.”

MP de-selections are, of course, the looming fear for many pre-Corbyn Labour members.

Is that on the cards, further down the line?

But one MP watching from a distance believes that is simply a proxy for a much bigger battle to come.

“As far as I can see, this is not a fight over housing, anymore than it was really a Trident fight last summer in the parliamentary Labour party.

“This is a decade-long fight for the soul of the Labour party. This is about who is more Labour than whom. And ultimately there will be fireworks.”

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk … n-13913626

Offline

#148 06.Feb.18 08:00:14

Philpot
Banned

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Barleycorn wrote:
Philpot wrote:

Most Labour councillors in England and Wales have accused the party's ruling body of "an affront to the basic principles of democracy".

They said they were "extremely disappointed" at a recent intervention by the National Executive Committee.

It marks the first major clash between factions since an election tipped the NEC's political balance firmly in favour of Momentum

https://news.sky.com/story/first-labour … e-11226744


Classic Murdoch spin.

How many councillors are there? 
How many agree with this letter?

Of those, how many supported the coup that attempted to undo two ballots won fairly & squarely by Corbyn as leader?

Seventy-one of Labour’s 123 council leaders in England and Wales had signed the round-robin email by yesterday evening. Only two refused to sign.

Leaders of Labour-run councils including Manchester, Birmingham, Newcastle and many London boroughs, also signed the letter.to have signed the letter calling Momentum ‘dangerous and alarming’

https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-ne … ns-1135784

Offline

#149 06.Feb.18 10:01:11

Barleycorn
Member

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

Philpot wrote:
Barleycorn wrote:
Philpot wrote:

It comes as no surprise that Barleycorn attempts to defend the left wing hooligans.

Here is an updated report

A student has told how masked protesters disrupted a political talk at the University of the West of England.

William Bates, 20, vice-president of UWE Conservatives, described how he was shoved in a melee that erupted during the visit by Tory MP Jacob Rees-Mogg.

Mr Bates, who called police when trouble flared, has made a complaint of assault following the incident.

He filmed the assault on his phone

He told the Bristol Post: “There were about 300 people and the lecture theatre was full. It was the biggest political event at UWE ever.

“Suddenly 12 protesters wearing black balaclavas and masks burst in through an insecure back door. It was very intimidating for all of the students.

“Jacob Rees-Mogg walked straight up towards them and engaged them, asking them about their views and issues.

“They chanted ‘Nazi scum’ at him.”

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bris … ut-1161626


What did I defend ?

I pointed out who threw the first (only?) punch... I don't think I defended anyone.  Feel free to correct me though...

Then we can only assume that your attempt to claim that the first punch was thrown by Tory was an innocent mistake.

I am sure you would wish to put the record straight by condemning the left wing hooligans who invaded the speech and attempted to silence Rees Mogg


Seems the martial arts thug,  who punched the woman for speaking, has an odd sense of what makes for a fun fancy dress outfit.

https://evolvepolitics.com/jacob-rees-m … i-uniform/

Dressed as a nazi, punching lefties on behalf of JR Mogg.   

Beyond parody.  neutral  neutral

Last edited by Barleycorn (06.Feb.18 10:01:47)


I went through ALL your posts, found nothing,

Offline

#150 06.Feb.18 12:06:14

Philpot
Banned

Re: Momentum - The emerging face of Communism in Royton

The chap in white shirt was not connected to Rees Mogg

Nor was he acting on behalf of Rees Mogg

Rees Mogg has no security which is why he approached the baying idiots alone


However the actions of the chap on the white were clearly supported by the vast majority of decent minded Brits who have no time for the violent and moronic Antifa / Momentum anarchists who tried to silence Rees Mogg

Offline

Board footer

Powered by FluxBB 1.5.9

[ Generated in 0.104 seconds, 9 queries executed - Memory usage: 1.82 MiB (Peak: 2.3 MiB) ]