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#1 03.Jan.18 15:21:15

Woody
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Road Problems

James do you still have Highways inspectors ?



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After the recent Road Works water is still lodging along the gutter causing splashing to passing pedestrians,



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Surface deterioration is evident at Turks Head Junction Puckersley Junction and down into Shaw Dogford Road several other areas were the joint in the centre of the road and joints round iron works has allowed water to ingress after the recent frost broken surfaces are visible an Highways inspector could tour a district weekly and report to Council areas that need immediate attention before the chipped paint claims start rolling in,

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#2 03.Jan.18 15:39:34

Tony
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Glad you have posted about this Woody it is getting worse now.


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#3 03.Jan.18 21:02:53

Woody
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Tony wrote:

Glad you have posted about this Woody it is getting worse now.




If it saves James some time he has enough to do he can notify Highways and get them on to it.

Do you remember the Pothole Blaster you may has well have dropped it in with a shovel has you drove past a hour after they had done it passing traffic had removed it has it was not compacted enough like Hot Rolled Macadam to set hard quick enough,

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#4 03.Jan.18 23:36:35

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Is the Pothole Blaster still in use?


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#5 04.Jan.18 00:25:48

Woody
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Tony wrote:

Is the Pothole Blaster still in use?




I have not seen it for a while they used it on Oozewood Road a couple of years ago they tried to fill to many holes and it was like driving over a corrugated surface that was breaking up, 2016/2017 they resurfaced just after the end of Queensgate Drive to Kingston Drive which is better and it has stayed down,

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#6 04.Jan.18 16:05:43

Browny
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These is always an outbreak of potholes following a spell of sub zero weather. Water ingress expands when frozen within the grain of the tarmac causing the suface to burst

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#7 05.Jan.18 22:27:32

ridge walker
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It would be interesting to hear if any changes have been made to the criteria and method of pothole repairs, if highway engineers inspect the roads on foot or in a vehicle, if they depend on residents complaints to alert them to areas of concern, has a budget been declared for repair work and is is more or less lower, insufficient and woefully short and on a list that will require attention in the next 10-20 years such is the workload.   Its true whats been said and water when frozen and mixed with salt will break up surfaces around ironwork and by entering cracks, undermining the foundations, what constitutes a bad surface, the number of insurance claims for damage or the condition or repair and its suitability for anything bigger than a push bike.

The wonder of the  pothole blaster that was the answer to long term repairs appears to have fallen short of expectations, has this lead to more resurfacing works rather than patching up, as this has seen improvements in my area, also the line marking, even the problems at Dogford Road has been a good sign large projects have been completed, the time and cost is questionable but lets have more if we can,   Woody is aware of these concerns, he is asking straight forward questions from James, is it available on the Oldham web site, the councillors surgery, open to questions at a public meeting,  or by a personal tel call ?

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#8 06.Jan.18 00:38:57

Woody
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ridge walker wrote:

It would be interesting to hear if any changes have been made to the criteria and method of pothole repairs, if highway engineers inspect the roads on foot or in a vehicle, if they depend on residents complaints to alert them to areas of concern, has a budget been declared for repair work and is is more or less lower, insufficient and woefully short and on a list that will require attention in the next 10-20 years such is the workload.   Its true whats been said and water when frozen and mixed with salt will break up surfaces around ironwork and by entering cracks, undermining the foundations, what constitutes a bad surface, the number of insurance claims for damage or the condition or repair and its suitability for anything bigger than a push bike.

The wonder of the  pothole blaster that was the answer to long term repairs appears to have fallen short of expectations, has this lead to more resurfacing works rather than patching up, as this has seen improvements in my area, also the line marking, even the problems at Dogford Road has been a good sign large projects have been completed, the time and cost is questionable but lets have more if we can,   Woody is aware of these concerns, he is asking straight forward questions from James, is it available on the Oldham web site, the councillors surgery, open to questions at a public meeting,  or by a personal tel call ?




The problem is when an expensive car or any car hits a deep pot hole and does extensive suspension damage and OMBC have to fund the repair the money would be better spent repairing the surface damage and not paid out in compensation,

Your taxed enough to fund roads its time it was given to local authority's and spent were its needed with extra funding for Pennine towns that get harsher weather than low lying districts,


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#9 06.Jan.18 09:50:49

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Sorry, i had to end suddenly as i had a low battery warning, thanks woody and i agree and i note Chris Greyling the Transport Secretary has suggested just that recently, has the chancellor agreed to it though- seems unlikely to me.  I have listened to our highway engineers in the past, one was a senior female officer who brought her large ledgers with her with all the schedules of work, these extended years into the future.

Filling in potholes like the one at Croft Head near the crossing point has been in existance for far to long and should by rights been attended to within days or even hours yet  still remains months and up to a year later unrepared after many complaints, same with the standing water at the curbs where new tarmac is lower than the drainage grids, possibly all judged by the eye of the workmen rather that using instruments to prevent this happening, we know highway inspectors are quick to check these works on completion and call them back to correct things before payment is made i suspect, things like resetting manhole covers and grids, but its very common to see this problem of ponding at the curbs.

Re-setting curb heights etc and attending to the problems you refered too may be work that is outside the councils in house road teams capacity and requires engineering by private companies to be called in, i am sympathetic to James as he is only 1 or 6 elected councillors, or 1of 3 representing north ward  and the only one using this forum and thats on an irregular basis and often after concerns have long been made, theres reason for this and dont expect him to carry the entire responsibility for this, its been my practice for many years to speak directly with the council departments concerned but thats been made more difficult due to staff abuse from residents, may be wrong but you cant see officers in person as i used to do.

Just to finish off, i regard Croft Head down to Radcliffe Street as being far to narrow and windy for two way traffic by even small vehicles, the curbs are far to high, yet we have wide grassed verges big enough to widen the road, move the pavement and correct any fault in its design and alignment.  This section of road has been used as a diversion route, including Rochdale Lane which is again very narrow hemmed in by housing and buildings, its unsuitable up to Flake Lane then its more open, 2 pinch point for traffic and vital if its going to be a relief road to avoid Rochdale Road at peak times, we really have a problem thats growing every year, pretending its fine or avoiding the question entirely.

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#10 06.Jan.18 13:28:21

MikeS
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The council does seem ambivalent about these matters. By apparently ignoring the problems described by Ridge on Rochdale Lane/Croft Head they are making the traffic flow worse. On the other hand they are reluctant to spend money on a Pelican at the Town Hall as this will interfere with the flow of traffic. The common factor is a lack of funds.

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#11 06.Jan.18 21:53:29

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During the period when the Lib -dems had control of the council, they increased the funding for highway improvements and road repairs by many £millions, it was over a 5 year span and the money was phased over those years, it was the first time the council had a plan for dealing with the problem, or one that i can remember, Cllr Dave Hibbert for labour, cabinet member for the Environment was very ambitious in his dealing with this and our transport  but i was never aware of any budgets or funding arrangments that matched it,.

Labour may do things different and just get on with it,  they must have one (budget) but its kept quiet untill its time to pay your council tax, you will hear more about the government cuts and the hundreds of £millions we have had taken away, than money spent on things Woody mentioned, i think we can agree their doing the best they can, unfortunately we dont know what the priorities are in this respect, jobs, housing, social services, education, NHS aside, Woody is concerned about the roads cracking up, have they ever not done so, were it ever so good with cobbles and the horse and cart, just too many cars and not enough to go round for everything.

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#12 06.Jan.18 22:33:41

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The lollypop lady at Thornham St James School has a lot of potholes in the middle of where she stands


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#13 06.Jan.18 22:53:33

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Haha, I read that as though the lady has a lot of  pot holes!


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#14 06.Jan.18 23:32:37

Tony
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Tabbycat wrote:

Haha, I read that as though the lady has a lot of  pot holes!

I knew she was on something!!


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#15 07.Jan.18 12:13:15

ridge walker
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Now that is just the sort of thing we should be talking about, the question was does the council still inspect the roads, my question is do councillors go round with their eyes shut,  do the council staff not report potholes on the way to work or when out shopping in the town, dont the dandy men who clean the streets not take notes while doing their duties or the gardeners report report the dreadful conditions they encounter without the need for any inspections or supervisor to point them out, we hear it all the time its not my job or its not in my job description or pay scale, nor is it Woody's but thats what he does and what we all should be doing -complaining, if cllrs are blind to it and dont raise it as we have proffessionals in the council paid to do this, well what use are they, are they shy ? dont like to make a fuss, only want to discuss good things not negative ones their not up to it, well why wasnt this known before, are we blind as well, well done Woody Nola and Tabby for all their efforts, makes you have faith in the human race.

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#16 09.Jan.18 13:58:39

Woody
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Yesterday I went up Highbarn to Higginshaw its the same were ever you go dilapidated failing road surfaces,

Adds a lot of weight to the arguement for using the annual £400k flower budget plus whats allowed for road maintainance to bring some order to fruition.


Also while driving round the high number of sleeping policeman and raised plateaus at crossroads, The one at Chamber Road Frazer street going down into Shaw a few weeks after installation the contractors had to return and extend the ramps has they were so acute people were catching low front spoilers when braking the front dips under the weight of the car and catches the floor,
The other one that needs attention is on Castleton Road near High Crompton post office while placed to slow motorist down they should not be so acute has to damage a low slung sports type suspension which is fitted on most high performance GT models,


And Blackshaw Lane Royton should have warning signs its more of an obstacle course than a road,

Are the children of today so out of touch after all the Green cross code  stop look left and right road safety lessons in schools they have had

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#17 11.Jan.18 10:03:31

ridge walker
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This is an example of how well aware we are of local conditions, and it brings me back to why we dont hear more about it, its dealt with in private and not aired in public, it becomes confidential and we assume this silence means they dont care, any work we witness may have taken months and years to arrange, then BOOM we have an explosion of road works with no explanation why, its this i find so lacking in inclusion with the public, as if they take no part and must be left to others, jog on not your bussiness.   You can meet your cllrs tomorrow at the Town Hall and a community forum takes place next week, there are options you can use and you may get some answers.

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#18 11.Jan.18 13:57:12

Woody
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ridge walker wrote:

This is an example of how well aware we are of local conditions, and it brings me back to why we dont hear more about it, its dealt with in private and not aired in public, it becomes confidential and we assume this silence means they dont care, any work we witness may have taken months and years to arrange, then BOOM we have an explosion of road works with no explanation why, its this i find so lacking in inclusion with the public, as if they take no part and must be left to others, jog on not your bussiness.   You can meet your cllrs tomorrow at the Town Hall and a community forum takes place next week, there are options you can use and you may get some answers.





We should not need to burden Councillors they have enough to do,

The Highways Superintendents inspection team should stop staring at Google in there nice warm offices and carry out regular inspections this time of year and report back to Council and prioritise which areas need treatment first,


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#19 17.Jan.18 20:40:35

ridge walker
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Manchester Evening News/Oldham edition today announces £6.2 million plan to fix our  pothole, fully story page 6 and gives lists of where work will start during Jan, Feb & March, it states this is on top of £11 millions spent since 2011.

May i confirm this topic and the question to James does not count as a public report to the councils Highways department, as they thank those who do this in the story.

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#20 17.Jan.18 20:48:17

Erin
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I read the above article in the MEN today and the headlines sounded positive but unfortunately when you read the small print for the timetable for the repairs Royton doesn't get a mention.  Hope there is some money left in the kitty when they get around to us.  sad

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#21 17.Jan.18 23:58:42

Tony
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I have been on the council website and reported an area I will try and put in a complaint about the road from the Turks to the bottom of Fir Lane, that's atrocious now.


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#22 18.Jan.18 00:14:52

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We were only thinking the same tonight, Tony.


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#23 18.Jan.18 12:23:40

Tony
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Tabbycat wrote:

We were only thinking the same tonight, Tony.

I’ve completed the online report form let’s see what happens.


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#24 18.Jan.18 17:07:09

ridge walker
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The story said"Specialist teams have spent the last few weeks identifying the worst roads which need immediate attention""Residents are being urged to continue reporting potholes and defects"   The also state they look after 856 klm of roads.  I correct the amount spent since 2011, it was £20millions not 11.

The local roads mentioned includes St Phillips Drive, near by is  a section of Burnley Lane adjoining Chadderton Way, they start in February.

The Oldham edition has 56 pages, this story was on the front page as its Headline, the full story on page 6 was less than half a page and nothing else in there was anything about Oldham, other than a bit about a latics player returning to the team called Bryan, thats not a Newspaper, better to tune into ERoyton i think,

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#25 18.Jan.18 18:00:26

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The list of highway repairs on the council website only gives the work scheduled for Jan - March. It says they have £6.2m for a 12 month programme so we must hope that more Royton roads are scheduled for later in the year. Also hope it is not a case of overspending on the early works meaning jobs being dropped later on.

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#26 19.Jan.18 12:10:56

ridge walker
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Thats true and winter works are not all that durable, its more than Liverpool is spending and thats been in the news, what i would like to know is , does the criteria still remain the same as before it warrant a repair or to resurface, and do they still use the blasting machine or was it scrapped as useless.  If these teams have been out looking for work why did we have work in the schedules that would take 20 years to fix, i think Woody and Tony are doing a great job and those ledgers can be put aside, just phone them up, there's £5 m worth in Royton alone.

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#27 19.Jan.18 15:22:10

Woody
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ridge walker wrote:

Thats true and winter works are not all that durable, its more than Liverpool is spending and thats been in the news, what i would like to know is , does the criteria still remain the same as before it warrant a repair or to resurface, and do they still use the blasting machine or was it scrapped as useless.  If these teams have been out looking for work why did we have work in the schedules that would take 20 years to fix, i think Woody and Tony are doing a great job and those ledgers can be put aside, just phone them up, there's £5 m worth in Royton alone.





They have been patching and making do for to long owing to shrinking budgets and cut backs its time to start doing the job properly a portion of work in each area starting on the worst affected roads then a rolling programme to complete.

At the moment public dissatisfaction with all political parties is growing, Its all promises excuses and no delivery,

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#28 20.Jan.18 17:27:50

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I have a feeling that the work on Oldham Way is so expensive and will take an entire year to complete it was a good time to release the news £6.2m was being spent this year filling potholes, when in fact it was repairs to the bypass, we have seen resurfacing works in the town last year so is it someone elsies turn this year, and we drop out, clearly they cant do everything so why the headlines, some people will think the problem is over and at that rate of spend it will only take another 10 years not 50 to fix them all.

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#29 07.Mar.18 20:37:59

Woody
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After the recent snows the potholes a now at a dangerous state every were you go some so are deep enough to do serious damage to a cars suspension,

There was a contractor working just below the Fairview today but that's in Rochdale,

When the damage claims start rolling in someone may grasp the mettle and do something,


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#30 07.Mar.18 21:19:20

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What’s happening with the sinkhole thing or whatever near dogford Park?

Roadworks keep appearing and disappearing but not fixing anything.  It’s a massive hole in the middle of the road now.


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#31 07.Mar.18 22:29:29

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LittleRach wrote:

What’s happening with the sinkhole thing or whatever near dogford Park?

Roadworks keep appearing and disappearing but not fixing anything.  It’s a massive hole in the middle of the road now.

Throw some coins in and make a wish !!


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#32 08.Mar.18 09:27:13

ridge walker
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Passed yesterday in both directions, the roads flooded with water but the holes filled in and the barriers were gone, my journey improved when i saw the crocus appearing on the approach to Bethesda/Junction cross roads, something we can rely on every year without fail, try heading into Rochdale after crossing Queensway  or parking in the town centre, what a nightmare as there setting up the contractors offices and everything is closed off, hundreds of workmen in yellow about doing things important, i did warn you,  be prepared expect long delays.

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#33 08.Mar.18 20:37:50

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ridge walker wrote:

Passed yesterday in both directions, the roads flooded with water but the holes filled in and the barriers were gone, my journey improved when i saw the crocus appearing on the approach to Bethesda/Junction cross roads, something we can rely on every year without fail, try heading into Rochdale after crossing Queensway  or parking in the town centre, what a nightmare as there setting up the contractors offices and everything is closed off, hundreds of workmen in yellow about doing things important, i did warn you,  be prepared expect long delays.

No, the one I mean near Dogford Park is very definitely still there today.


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#34 08.Mar.18 20:38:22

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Milly Savage wrote:
LittleRach wrote:

What’s happening with the sinkhole thing or whatever near dogford Park?

Roadworks keep appearing and disappearing but not fixing anything.  It’s a massive hole in the middle of the road now.

Throw some coins in and make a wish !!

Do you reckon wishing for them to fix it will work?  lol


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#35 08.Mar.18 21:53:32

Milly Savage
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LittleRach wrote:
Milly Savage wrote:
LittleRach wrote:

What’s happening with the sinkhole thing or whatever near dogford Park?

Roadworks keep appearing and disappearing but not fixing anything.  It’s a massive hole in the middle of the road now.

Throw some coins in and make a wish !!

Do you reckon wishing for them to fix it will work?  lol

It's your best option. lol


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#36 08.Mar.18 22:06:55

Tony
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lol  lol


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